Trade - Friendswood Texans / Operation Domination

Devil Dogs

# Friendswood Texans gave up Year 2010 Round 1 Draft Pick from Friendswood Texans

# Operation Domination gave up Year 2009 Draft Pick 3.10

friendswood.texans · Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 10

I initially submitted this trade, but I don't want it against the wishes of my fellow league friends, thus, I request to rescend.

The Sooners · Joined: 11 Oct 2006 Posts: 13

I find this trade to be wrong on many levels. As a an owner in this league, if I have any veto power, I veto this trade going through.

Devil Dogs · Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:52 am Post subject:

From the Rules:

If the trade seems like collusion to anyone, they should post in the forum (in the trade confirmation thread) to start an open dialogue. If it comes to the point of needing a vote for collusion, owners from the OTHER conference will vote. If the majority of owners (7) deem it to be collusion...the trade will be null and void and penalties will be considered.

I do have to say though that given the team in question (1 QB and 3 RB and only 2 picks prior to the 5th round) this trade makes sese for both teams. Quality starter WR's run ito the 4th round every year and that's exactly where Friendswood moved above..meaning he can fill his 3 WR slots by the end of 3...and grab his TE in the 5th.

Given this years talent crop, this trade is like Roy Williams next Year for Hines Ward this year...is that really so crazy???

Past that, I am a bit insulted that we are so quickly to the point of simply requesting a rescind. Now we want do-overs? Will this policy also apply to all trades, free agent pickups and actual draft picks made?

The portion of the official league rules that applies has been posted above...and they will be followed. That's why we have them.

Lonestar Longballs · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 62

We had this issue in this league several years ago before most of you were around. We had people "rescinding" trades after both parties had already agreed -- it's stupid. Once both parties agree, the trade is final, unless others in the league have a problem with the trade. Then it goes through the vote process, etc.

I don't really understand the problem with the trade. It's a '09 for a '10 draft pick. As long as Friendswood Texans will be around next year, then he can trade all his draft picks away for all I care.

Isn't there something in the rules that state you must pay for next year's fees up front if you wish to trade future picks? That would be my only concern with this deal -- ensuring someone doesn't trade all their future picks away, then bolt.

Devil Dogs · Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject:

In the rules it states you must pay 50% of the next years fee's to trade any of those picks...which Will did last year...and is doing again this year as well.

Los Banditos · Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 20

So where do I vote on this trade?

I have a problem with the trade. A 3.10 for a future 1.?. ?

I was offered the same deal apparently, except it was the future year's 1st for my 2.1 pick. By the time I saw the email, I also saw that your trade had already gone through. I even replied back that I'd do 2.10 for it...

I'm assuming that Fwood is not your secret mistress and there is no collusion Wink

, but I never even had a chance to see the offer before the trade was done. I could understand if it were football season, but if when you start talking quick fire lobsided deals, during the offseason(when I'm not thinking about FF at all), involving future first round picks it seems a like a bit much. The "moving into the 3rd round to get that WR they've always wanted" doesn't really work for me either on this.

And then, the email string today. Haha, what the hell? What is true and what is jest. Did BBS quit or not? Who is Little Billy?
Anyways, if possible I'd like to vote on this trade, not really sure what the ruling is. We may need to adjust or at least set a trade policy for the season... i.e. how long does "open discussion" last, and when would be a vote??

Devil Dogs · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject:

First I will say to make sure your email address is up to date in the MyFantasyLeague site...and that it is your most used email address. As far as the offer, it definitely sounds unfortunate that you might have been in a positin to make a tade for the same pick.

Now on to the trade itself, I guess to the point that you are talking about a late 2nd as opposed to a late 3rd for the same deal, seems to me that while the trade may not be perfectly even (as few are or can be) it is right in the ballpark. Especially considering the foloowing 2 things:

1. If you take look historically, it matters far more which player you take in this range than where you are making your pick.

2. Friendswood and I have made a number of deals...and have used a littl give and take to get more deals done. For instance, I gave up Chris Johnson cheaply last year because he really wanted him (and I had already drafted him in every other league I am in). This came down to a I'll do you a bit of a favor this time if you will do the same later.

So again, it really seems to me that we are trying to legitimize around 12 picks between the 2nd and 3rd rounds (10 of which are in the 3rd) as grounds to claim a trade unacceptable...which yes...in the end is up to the league to decide.

Now, there is a process specifcally designated to this, which is, if there are a number of people in the conference the trade took place that are up in arms and want to take it to a vote (this is the thread to make that case), then the owners involved in the tade have the ability to state their case before the 12 teams in the other conference vote on the trade's legitamacy (to provide a more objective landscape).

Beyond all this, and to state my case further, we just saw a trade happen in the NFC where a late 5th round pick was give up for 14 slots mostly in the 4th. There has been no uprise whatsoever about this deal and I suspect for good reason. Historically, starters are drafted into the 4th round, and a 5th round pick is normally dealt during theseason for a spot starter. Taking this thery to the deal in question, there was a similar move into the 3rd round (into the "starters" portion of the draft. To me this could only mean that if the deal is off, then it is off by spot starter value at most. Not a whole lot when you consider the needs of the team moving into this position, along with the fact that the 2 teams involved have made trades prior where similar concessions were made going the other way.

All that said, you are all welcome to let your thoughts be known. Also, btw, Randy Moss was just dealt Smile

Devil Dogs · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject:

Oh, and BTW, Little Billy is BBS, and no he did not quit, he is paid in full for the upcoming season and is making deals hand over fist.

And as far as what was real and what was in jest, just go back and take an inventory of BBS's what I will simply call "Over The Top" postings and you be the judge Wink

Los Banditos · Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 20

Well, the trade is still not fair. My email is up to date. I cannot check my email at work, I checked it when I got home. How is is that he sent me an offer for my early 2nd round pick, and then accepted your offer for a late 3rd? Maybe he is your mistress?? Does Lady Luck know this?

And I can totally see why you would want this trade to go through. It's a no brainer. The first has the potential to be the first pick in the draft for 2010. Lol, your argument here is laughable. If you're saying first come first serve, then fine, but don't try to legitimize it.

Los Banditos · Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 20

Where is the vote??

Devil Dogs · Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject:

Again, there is currently no vote, we have had 2 of 10 teams raise any question, only one of whom responded after the trade was better explained (especially if you go back and look how drafts happen in this league...and what 2nd and 3rd round picks end up being)...I would like to see more requests if we are going to take it to a vote. And the other conference (NFC) would vote on an AFC trade.

As for legitimizing, it is what it is...you think offering the 2.10 is fine (even though I own that pick so I'm not sure how you panned to pull that one off) but a 3rd rounder is worth a collusion vote. I have already said that the trade is not exactly and perfectly even..not many are...and he had the better end of the last trade we made...Helloooo? Personally, I have never gotten much guff for simply accepting a trade, especially when it makes sense for both teams...as for all the questions...anyone unsure about the rules (which have been in place for years)...please click the bright red "Rules" link at the top of the page and read the portion about trading.

As for my mistress accepting MY trade offer...HE OFFERED IT TO ME...NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND...so if you want to know why he offered you one deal and me another...ask him...I can only speculate that it probably had something to do with the aforemention trading histoy...maybe that along with the simple fact that it was something his team dearly needed...

Los Banditos · Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 20

Ok, 2.11, sorry. And I understand that he offered it, that's why I'm wondering if he's your mistress. I really doubt half the league has is even aware of the trade, to be honest. Either way, nice steal. In no way is it a fair deal, but it was a great deal for you. To say that he got the better end of a previous trade has no bearing on whether this trade should go through or not. Once again, congratulations on a steal. How many people have to raise an issue with the trade to get a vote?

I can't be the only other one.

The only reason I even posted is cuz Sooners told me that there was some email mess going around regarding the league. And since, I couldn't check my email at work, I assumed it was people complaining about this trade. When I told that to Sooners, he actually told me that it was a completely different issue and that he had commented about that trade and that trade was no longer going through(which he was mistaken apparently).

Anyways, congrats on a fuckin heist.

Lonestar Longballs · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 62

My $.02--

I will say, I definitely thnk someone got robbed in this one, but it certainly wouldn't be the first time.

4 years ago I traded Edgerin James and a 2nd rounder for LT (in his prime). Does that mean there was collusion?

I don't look at who got what. I look at motive. If Friendswood trades his 2010 pick and then quits at the end of this year, then there is something shady going on. Right now, I only have reason to believe someone made a bad deal. That's it.

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